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Gabriel and Timber back in full training.

Madueke had his first Arsenal training.

Trossard and Calafiori were absent from the photographs.

Calafiori tweaked his knee against Newcastle. Arteta has said he expects him to be fit for the start of the season.

Trossard appeared to pick up a muscular injury in the loss to Spurs and Arteta explained afterwards that he would be assessed.

First two, unbelievable. Went through a surgery in April and May and are already back for the start of the season. The last two, the less said, the better.

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Marko's avatar

The less said the better should be on a placard hung around your neck. It should be stapled to your forehead

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Mr Serge's avatar

Marko you really got a hard on for Raps recently.

He says things I agree with and some I disagree with but man you are being a tad harsh on him.

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raptora's avatar

Sorry I offended your man crush.

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Marko's avatar

Yeah that's it and definitely not you being an incessant melt.

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raptora's avatar

One is among the players we would sell if a good offer is presented but his injury won't help our cause.

The other is on his 6th injury in 12 months since joining the club.

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Marko's avatar

Listen you numpties we signed our striker it's done who cares what happens to Isak and Sesko now we've moved on.

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TT's avatar

Can't argue with that. Lets move on and support our Swede :D

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I am very surprised Man United are involved in this too. I wouldn't. They still have a crap midfield. They should be looking to pay this for Baleba or Wharton. And then get someone like Kolo Muani on loan.

This is like make or break for them. I don't know if Sesko is at that level to take a dive without a parachute.

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Useroz's avatar

My Manu friends are pissed, some worried about, and at least frustrated with the TW..hahaha

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I would be too, I can't lie. Sesko is good but this wasn't the time for United to overpay for potential. They should be smart with their money and this isn't smart.

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Christian's avatar

I hope Newcastle make a deal with Isak for one more season and stifle Liverpool’s plans. Hang in there Geordies!

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Christian's avatar

Hate to bring up a sore subject but I’m beginning to wonder how and why the crown brought these charges against Partey.

How can a woman claim to have been raped on THREE separate occasions at the man’s house, especially since they were seeing each other? Also one of the women … ahh never mind.

I call Bullshyt. Money grabbing Me Too crooks looking for a quick buck. Wish they could be named and shamed. Go prove your innocence TP5. Stupid gold diggers.

Awaiting the crying of the Beta Males here

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Un na's avatar

Smells fishy alright

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Christian's avatar

As expected, the Beta males have been triggered.

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Marko's avatar

You're so brave for saying that.

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Christian's avatar

Marko why are you so triggered? Anyway lemme let it be lol. This could take a turn for the worse so I’ll leave it alone. Most men who know those who’ve been falsely accused by a woman understand … but have it your way

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Marko's avatar

Most men don't no. If you hang out with a bunch of accused of rape you probably need to get better at choosing your friends. That or you just made it up

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Christian's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

Dude you’ve got some serious issues with conflating. HOW DID ANYTHING written here lead you to assume anyone hangs with a “bunch of accused” rapists.

Are you okay? Is this hitting a sore spot with you? Hope no man did something to you Gaddem!

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

The term Beta male is still hilarious to me. You are such an Alpha bro. And apparently there are 5 other alphas too on here. Cringe worthy words.

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Marko's avatar

Manliest of mans right here.

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Mystic Leaves's avatar

Marko: wait till it happens to one of your own.

Big lol. It was so easy to say that was a joke. I mean after the first rape, you went again to be raped the second time and a third time?? 🤣🤣

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Aug 5Edited

Because they want to humiliate/punish Partey, but they have no case, so they waited till he left country.

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Ben Jacobs

@JacobsBen

Understand Benjamin Sesko has now agreed financial terms with both Manchester United and Newcastle.

Both clubs confident on reaching an agreement with Leipzig in the coming hours.

Manchester United believe Sesko wants to join them

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😂😂😂 The lack of quality or imagination is funny. Both are queueing up to pay a massive transfer fee for a player with a lot of potential but isn't worth the fee.

They should both be looking elsewhere imo. Much more value elsewhere even in a dry CF market.

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Un na's avatar

Watch him bomb

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Useroz's avatar

Just for the next 2 seasons, Watkins likely achieve better G&As yet costs half the price

By the 3rd season, Seskos agent probably stir up another move to Barca etc lol.

In practice, he's got a PL shelf life of 2, may be 3 seasons.... for £70 to 80m??

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raptora's avatar

I agree re Watkins but latest rumors were Villa's asking price is around £60m.

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Dissenter's avatar

Leipzig have both United and Newcastle, by the balls

'Glad we made our choice early

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

Yep. We knew when to walk away. But hindsight is 20/20.

If Sesko bangs and Gyokeres doesn't do as well, people will still complain.

The same happened with Isak. We didn't pay 60m for a 22 year old who had 4 or 5 league goals that season.

We paid £45m for Jesus. And he got injured and got ruined.

So you might see people saying this was the wrong decision and we should have paid what Leipzig demanded in 2 years.

Narratives are always funny to me that way.

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Nigel Tufnel's avatar

The chances of Sesko "banging" this season are very low. I would consider it a bit of a surprise if he even has a "good" season.

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Dissenter's avatar

It's not hindsight if you were not enthused about the Jesus deal ln real time.

It was stretch of faith to think he would do hat he didn't do at Arsenal, because guess what, he had never done it anywhere else.

Also it revisionist nonsense to suggest injuries are the cause of his demise, not his lack of real striker attributes.

He had that crazy purple patch, no different from Willock/Pappis Cisse/ Almiron at Newcastle, then he went to the shitters. He had that long drawn barren patch until the worldf cup started.

Jesus was not a top number 9 before he came to Arsenal.

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Nigel Tufnel's avatar

True he never was clinical as a striker. But it's undeniable that he did bring something good to us or, got it out of us. I have wanted him gone since at least last Summer, so I am not defending him. But it's unfair to call him a failure... He had major injuries that ruined any chance to find out if he was a good buy or not.

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Mystic Leaves's avatar

Before Sesko bangs (proposed 2-3 years period) we could win the league with Gyokeres. So who would care who bangs or not?

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

That hinges on us winning. If we do, no one will care. If we don't, everything will be under the microscope like it is now.

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Mystic Leaves's avatar

I mean hypothetically speaking, Sesko ain't winning us the league in the next 2/3 seasons. So there's that.

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jwl's avatar

Buying strikers is crazy, it seems impossible to tell which player going to thrive in future because no one really stands out as top class right now when their young.

Manure paid £70 million for Hojlund 2 seasons ago, I assume they trying to sell him, and now they getting ready to take punt on another young £70 million young striker.

I am content with Gyo purchase because he at least has a track record of scoring goals but these 21 yr old strikers with 11 goals have no track record of anything as senior player.

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Useroz's avatar

Antony cost 70m too lol

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

It is. Ridiculous. They are paying guaranteed money for potential.

I am happy with the Gyokeres deal now. £55m + 8m in addons is good enough for a player that has atleast banged a lot of goals for two years.

They are paying £70m guaranteed and £5 to £10m in add ons for potential.

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Useroz's avatar

Not only fees . ... per reports,

Gyokeres was on ~40k pw, plus bonus

Sesko on 139k pw plus bonus

We likely save on quite a bit on wages with Gyokeres

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I don't know about that. We gave Gyokeres 200k a week. Sesko is younger so he will take about 150 to 180k imo.

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raptora's avatar

Much more value is a bit over the top.

Interesting he's agreed terms with both clubs and is allowing Leipzig to make the most.

One factor I forgot for a second.

Jurgen Klopp.

If Newcastle want Sesko and the future of Isak depends on Sesko joining them, you better be sure he's joining The Toon. Unless Sesko pushes for Manure which at the moment he doesn't seem to.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I mean Delap was signed for 30m. Jonathan David was signed for free. Samu Omorodion is priced at £50m apparently too.

I reckon there are other deals like that.

Sesko is a good player with a lot of potential but this is top striker money. I can't understand this or Ekitike's deal. It leaves no room for error for both. They have to be a hit and it is just potential at the moment.

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raptora's avatar

They need to live up to the hype.

Don't necessarily have to become the next Haaland and Isak.

They can develop a bit and play at the quality you'd would expect of a £70m player. Don't have to become £120-150m players to be successful transfers.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

What do you think a £70m transfer needs to be?

It is a 15 to 20 league goal striker. They need to perform at the level Watkins has been doing for the past few years to justify this. And I am not sure they will. £75m+ is big money. It is overpriced. I said the same for Havertz.

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raptora's avatar

Cunha and Mbeumo moved for ~10m less but are older, so yeah about that quality and that's plenty of solid tbh as I rate both. Inflation hit strong.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

But Cunha and Mbuemo are proven players. Sesko isn't yet. And he costs atleast £5m more than both.

It just isn't smart practice imo. They should look elsewhere. This is 20 league goal money territory.

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raptora's avatar

This is what top talent is worth. I don't agree with it either but take it or leave it, it is what it is.

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Steg's avatar

This argument about an inverting MLS being a problem is seeping into discussions. I get it, but also the inverting is what gives us overloads in the middle isn’t it. Allows us to pass through the thirds as they say. I guess the issue is that all the creativity in front of him is Rice and Martinelli…Odegaard needs to float to the left more and Martinelli needs better end product

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

The point is creating a box midfield centrally. Currently we use MLS, Zubimendi with Rice and Odegaard ahead.

Basically , It is Martinelli and Saka wide, Rice in the left half spaces, MLS inverting in to DM, Zubimendi as the 6 and Odegaard in the right half space.

We can do that in an alternative ways too. Forexample you can instruct the wide player to come inside, the LB to pushup and hold the width while CM stays back.

If we sign Eze and a LB for example,

We would have Rice holding the position MLS holds now, the new LB holding the width like Martinelli does now and Eze coming inside which is Rice's position now alongside Odegaard to create the box midfield.

Eze, Odegaard, Rice, Zubimendi with the LB wide and Saka the other side.

We did it before when Saka was playing LB under Arteta. Xhaka was holding back. And Saka was going wide while Auba came inside.

We need to refresh those options to give us a different dynamics instead of being predictable.

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Steg's avatar

A double pivot. I get that but then you really and I mean really need a superb left back who flies up that wing and you then need rice to be able to fill the space at left back that’s vacated. The latter Rice could do for sure but that flying left back would (1) cost a 40-50m and would have to share minutes of with MLS. It’s Just another left back…fuck me. Arteta has spent poorly

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Yeah, not one single LB connection I think while we allowed a player we followed for years (Hato) join Chavs uncontested.

The likes of The Athletic have not even mentioned any even rumored moves at LB and have even went as far as saying today "If Arsenal are to make a significant addition to the first-team squad, it is most likely to be on the left wing. Any acquisition may be connected to the futures of Gabriel Martinelli and Leandro Trossard".

Supposedly, if we don't sell a LW to bring in a LW, we're not adding anyone important.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

Wait and see.

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Dissenter's avatar

Newcastle about to get gazumped again

United have made a smaller offer for Sesko

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raptora's avatar

Leipzig won't even accept that offer imo.

If they match Newcastle's bid then I expect the player to pick Manure. But not unless Manure match the 80+10.

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David Ornstein

@David_Ornstein

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🚨 BREAKING: Manchester United make offer to RB Leipzig for Benjamin Sesko. Proposal €75m + €10m - reflects #MUFC valuation of 22yo & they believe striker favours Old Trafford. No reply yet from #RBLeipzig. #NUFC also working to close deal

@TheAthleticFC

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Looool. I don't think Sesko becomes a huge success at United. But this also means Newcastle are going to hold on to Isak Looooool. Funny.

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raptora's avatar

Massive!

They actually outbid Newcastle. I thought their key would be Sesko's desire but maybe he's again, not pushing either way. At this point, does bro even want to leave?!

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

They didn't out bid them. Newcastle’s one is €5m more. But apparently United believe he wants to join them.

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raptora's avatar

The fee is so ridiculous I got confused.

I don't think he throws his toys out of the pram for Manure. I really don't but we'll see. If they match the fee sure but I don't think he joins Manure on a lower bid. They'll have to match Newcastle or it ain't happening.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I think Leipzig will be happy with that even if it is a bit lower if Sesko wants United. They will only try to get them to pay more. But player preference matters. The personal terms will matter too.

And United will offer him more. I think he goes United imo. And United are still a draw for players even at their state now. They are a huge club. Newcastle aren't on their level.

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raptora's avatar

I agree and I also think if given the choice he'll pick Manure even if Newcastle has a more settled manager + squad. He'd be joining a shit show called Manure but it's a massive club nonetheless. It's not an easy choice although if it was being made entirely from a football perspective, Newcastle will play in the CL while Manure were closer to relegation than playing in Europe.

Still, I'd be surprised if Leipzig accept the lower fee. I don't think that's how it works unless the player is desperate for one club over the other and I don't think that fella is.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

Yep, from a footballing perspective, it is Newcastle.

But players have egos. And they will think they are the one that can turn around that sinking ship.

Plus United are a huge draw interms of personal brand and social media following which is valuable for players too.

Added to that, there is also wages. And they aren't a stepping stone like Newcastle now with Isak.

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raptora's avatar

How many players have Manure platformed to their best ability though? Mostly everyone fails there.

With that being said, a front 4 of Cunha, Sesko, Mbeumo and Bruno is a solid fkin front 4.

In football however, it still matters what the other 7 players do + the manager and environment.

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Dissenter's avatar

Newcastle offered 80 million plus 10

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raptora's avatar

Manure with a lower bid think he'll fight for them?! It ain't happening bros.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

Let's see though 😂😂😂. If Sesko moves to United, it pretty much guarantees Liverpool will get shafted in transfer fees at the very least.

I don't think Newcastle will sell Isak to get Wissa and a Muniz together. If they do, it will be for an extortionate fee and I can't see pool doing that. They will come back for him in a year imo.

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raptora's avatar

Ekitike - fail.

Sesko - potentially fail.

Who's next in line?

Watkins?

Nico Jackson?

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

Jackson apparently lol. They would be stupid to replace Isak with Jackson. Good player but horrible in front of goal. And Chelsea are saying £80m which is hilarious to me because I think he is overpriced if you get him for £50m.

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Dissenter's avatar

I think we should squeeze Fulham on the Nelson deal

Nelson is fully fit and his quality is undeniable. If they won’t pay for a permanent transfer then tell them to eff off

He had a hamstring repair, not a total knee replacement or something.

We shouldn’t agree to a Nelson loan, not even with a guaranteed buy clause because even those can be broken, like what Chelsea did to sancho.

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Nigel Tufnel's avatar

Sell Martinelli.. keep Reiss. Anybody who watches them on the pitch in the same position can see that Nelson does more for the attack. Clearly.

Martinelli will bring in more cash and he is on a higher salary, a too high salary from Edu.

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Digital's avatar

But then the alternative is Reiss sitting on the bench and tanking in value as he runs down his contract.

If he goes on loan with an obligation to buy but with a decent fee, if they choose to do a Sancho, at least he’s in the shop window and playing next season as opposed to getting closer to leaving on a free in a couple years time.

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Aasim's avatar

Benjamin Sesko is like Rasmus Hojlund or Evan Ferguson of the years prior. The markets obsession in trying to find a Haaland reincarnate.

Paying for potential makes sense at under 40m (Saliba worked, Viera not so much….). Anything above 50m hardly ever works and does not make sense.

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The fee is stupid. He shouldn't cost more than £50m to £60m. But the market has been idiotic to say the least.

But he isn't Hoijlund. You only have to watch them a few times to see the difference in attributes. Hoijlund wrestles defenders because he doesn't have the strength to hold the ball up or win his duels. And he isn't as good a finisher. Sesko is a better dribbler and is better in the air too.

I was baffled when I heard the fee United signed him for. He was no more than a £30m striker. Atalanta laughed all the way to the bank. Ten Hag is a legend for ruining United lol.

This is why I find it funny when people moan about Mika Biereth as well. What annoyed me is the fee we got for him. Not the fact that we sold him. Fantastic finisher. But he can't play as a lone striker just like Hoijlund. They need to play in a two because they don't have the facilities to play as a lone CF.

Sesko does. If Newcastle get him, I think he will improve. But justifying the fee is going to be difficult imo. He will have to be the next Isak for that.

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He’s actually very much like Hojlund.

When has Sesko ever been a “fantastic finisher”, out of the 7 game purple patch he had in 23/24

Hojlund looked very good in Serie A and had a good first season at United. I reckon he will regain his form when he leaves.

We will see how Sesko gets on but enough of the gassing. He’s too raw to be making these wild statements

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Hoijlund scored 9 league goals as a backup striker at Atlanta. He wasn't even a starter there. He was playing 2nd fiddle to Muriel and Zapata.

Sesko has scored double digit league goals for a few years now. And look at his XG to non penalty XG every season. He overperforms it. Give him chances and he scores. Not all the time like every striker but he will get you more goals than expected of him.

I don't know what you have against Sesko. But there is a reason he has been scouted by every top PL side. They were put off by the fee.

Newcastle are trying to get him for a record fee and to replace Isak. Just say you haven't followed his career and haven't watched him enough. The fact that you can be so sure about him is hilarious to me.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I really hope we target a bombing fullback that is technically more refined than Tierney if we sell Kiwior.

Only Kerekez, Ait-Nouri, Hato and Carreras went for big fees.

Plenty of good leftbacks went for under £20m this summer. De cuyper, Estpuinan, Truffert, Theo Hernandez, Ruggeri all under £21m. Gutierrez at Girona is also close to joining Napoli for under that too.

Sell Kiwior and Zinchenko. And I would love Nathaniel Brown. Would cost less than the £30m+ we would demand for Kiwior imo. He signed a new deal though. There is also Raum who has been a reliable player for years. But I haven't watched him in a while though. Even when I did, I was watching Sesko and Simons.

What I don't want is to keep Zinchenko with a year left and sell Kiwior with Calafiori being the CB option too. Need to sell him even if it is for peanuts. Besides that we can't have two injury prone players in the same area.

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Digital's avatar

I suspect your last sentence is exactly what happens if Kiwior leaves.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

That will be a ticking time bomb interms of fitness.

And losing another player for free will be annoying. Partey, Tierney, Tomiyasu, all let go this summer. And a few others in previous years too like Laca and Auba. We can't keep doing it.

We need to sell him for peanuts if we have to. Even if it is £10m and save on his £8m wages. We can get better value for that in the market with a £20m purchase for a few years instead of letting him walk away for free.

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Digital's avatar

Agreed, it’s shocking if you compare it to Chelsea who get big fees for squad players that are not even the level of the players we’ve released.

The problem with Zinchenko leaving is it seems he’s happy and his family are happy with life in London, whereas Kiwior rightfully might want to be a starter somewhere at his age so it’s easier to move Kiwior despite it being a risky move from a squad fitness perspective.

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Dissenter's avatar

You damn well know Arteta will never buy a pure fullback.

His well established m.o is to get center backs that play as full backs because he’s stuck in a Pep time capsule

The last full back that could do all those things was Tierney, You know where that ended.

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raptora's avatar

Teamnewsandtix

Wilshere close to returning as U21 manager for Arsenal academy.

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raptora's avatar

BILD

The current sticking point for Stuttgart in their pursuit of Fabio Vieira is the asking price.

Arsenal are demanding €30m. Stuttgart do not want to pay more than €20m.

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Yeah, I expected they'd offer €20m. Plenty of time left till the window closes. We should get a better offer than that. €30m might be hard though, €25m with or without additional add-ons would be aight.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I am sort of gald we are demanding decent money at the very least. If we get £20m (around €25m euros) it is a fair deal.

Talented but has no personality to make it in the PL. I think he might do well in Germany.

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Dissenter's avatar

We overpaid for him, that much is obvious

The buying club are actually paying his fair market rate, €20 million is a good deal. We should just insist on a sell on clause and be done with it.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

You don't agree to the first offer. They are right to demand that considering what players are going for this summer.

Chelsea got £25m for Broja.

And we should agree on half way. £20m+ (around €25m) is a fair deal in this market imo.

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Dissenter's avatar

Where did you read that €20 million was the first offer.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I didn't mean to say it was the first offer. It says they want to pay €20m and we are demanding €30m.

So I assumed they will come in with that.

If we want to get better at selling, we shouldn't take what teams want to pay for our players. It should be what we want from teams to take these players and negotiate from there.

Especially for a player like Veira. He is 25 and is on low wages. These are the players we can haggle on. He also has 2 years left. If Chelsea can get £25m for Broja who has done nothing for two or three years, we can get £20m for Veira who had a decent enough season at Porto.

You said the same thing on taking the deal with Eddie at £15m. We got £25 + £5m in the end.

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For all you know, thier first offer may have been a lot less and that €20 million may be how high they are willing to go.

The truth is that Viera wasn’t worth more than €10-15 euros in 2022.

He couldn’t even pass a physical when we bought him because he was crocked.

Pedro used to call Raul horrible names for doing far less than what Arteta-Edu did in this deal. Viera had played only a handful of games for Porto senior team at the time.

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Habesha Gooner's avatar

I don't even rate him like that. But €10 to €15m? Come on. In this market he is clearly a £20m player. He has the talent and has played at the top level at least. He just doesn't have the facilities to handle the physical nature of the PL.

You want us to improve at selling but thinking Veira is worth €15m max is crazy.

Transfermarkt values him at €22m for example. €25m is fair imo.

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raptora's avatar

Yeah, with a sell-on clause it could be nice.

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The current transfer window is highlighting that there are SIX major clubs in the EPL who are

able to ATTRACT and in most cases spend £200 million + six figure weekly wages.

These are Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Newcastle despite their huge financial muscle are now discovering that they are struggling to

recruit top players and as appears to be the case will probably lose Isak sooner rather than later.

I suspect also that the Saudi Arabian sovereign fund who are the largest investor in Newcastle have moved on and are spending their money with the clubs in Saudi Arabian League.

So if Sesko does move to EPL this month I suspect that it will be to Man United.

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raptora's avatar

I'm getting the feeling he'll join Man United if they pay the required fee. But will they... They are giving off skint vibes this window.

Newcastle will pay up cause their fans will be unhappy if they don't get a big transfer as Isak's replacement.

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